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Wrestling is pretty fucking garbage right now. Like, worst in television history garbage.

I've been trying to get that "watch wrestling" spark back, and this shit is a struggle, man.

In the last month, I liked:

- Piper/Jericho segment.
- Steamboat/Jericho segment.
- The Black Machismo, for about 30 seconds.
- Evan Bourne.
- Christian/Jack Swagger matches.
- Rey Mysterio ring attire.

DASIT.

DASFUCKINIT.

but still, WWE is leaps and bounds ahead of TNA. What the fuck happened to TNA? I turned that shit off. They seriously had about 47 fucking backstage segments in an hour and a half, and four different fucking commish/executive/president types, and only former WWE employees get to wrestle.

That shit is hella garbage.

[Adrien Cochrane]

Now you know why I quit watching in 2004...

[Tony]

I'll never quit watching... I'm a lifer. Though I've got to admit that things have been going downhill for quite some time now. TNA being retarded can pretty much be summed up when you see them letting go guys like Petey Williams and Sonjay Dutt who've been there working there ass off for a long time, especially Petey. Yet they keep all those WWE rejects on the payroll.

Plus... who doesn't like Evan Bourne?

[Adrien Cochrane]

Plus... who doesn't like Evan Bourne?

Who the hell is that?

[Dave_B]

Here is what happened to TNA

- Kurt Angle
- Booker T
- Kevin Nash
- Sting

They are the reason TNA is not what it use to be, too much time is now focused on them and their dumb ass storylines than on the wrestling. When TNA first came out as a weekly PPV you didn't have all the garbage, it was about 95% wrestling I paid and watched pretty much every week because of it, now it's about 5% wrestling and they can't give the shit away. TNA needs to get back to what got them going and deliver more great wrestling and let WWE focus on the garbage.

[Bryan]

I quit watching wrestling in 00 or 01 and would turn it on from time to time, and the last time I remember turning it on was Vince had a midget as a son and I was like okay Im going to blow my brains out and turned it off and never put it on since.

[NRC]

Actually, I thought Sting came in and did some good things with TNA when he first got there, like the whole angle with Abyss. But this whole Main Event Mafia shit was tired when it started, and is complete tripe now. Hopefully the Angle/Sting match ends this whole thing. I was hopeful it'd end by the Frontline winning some sort of breakup match against the MEM, but alas, it won't happen.

Though, admittedly, I like the idea of Samoa Joe completely pwning Steiner.

Evan Bourne is Matt Sydal, renamed. He is the shit.

[Cory Reznor]

I heard Petey is going to WWE.
And, I recently started watching again. I quit when that little bitch Kevin Federline beat John Cena. I know the shit is fake, but that's pushing it.

As for TNA, they are just trying to bring back WCW. On fucking steroids.
Fuck Steiner. Fuck Angle. Fuck Nash. Fuck Booker T.
Fuck TNA.
Suicide is the only thing TNA is doing right, at this point.

Oh yeah, and fuck Jimmy Wang Yang too.

[NRC]

I'd agree with Rez, except that Suicide is just Christopher Daniels in a full body suit. They never shoulda had him do Feast-or-Fired, as he went from a great persona, to a crappy one with Curry Man (I know CM's big in Japan, but whatthehellever...in the US he HAS to be The Fallen Angel), and now to one that's mediocre at best in Suicide.

[Kevin]

Who the hell is that?

Indy flippy wrestler who made the style work in the WWE. Very popular and very good. One of the best Shooting Star Presses in the business.

Here is what happened to TNA

- Kurt Angle
- Booker T
- Kevin Nash
- Sting

They are the reason TNA is not what it use to be, too much time is now focused on them and their dumb ass storylines than on the wrestling. When TNA first came out as a weekly PPV you didn't have all the garbage, it was about 95% wrestling I paid and watched pretty much every week because of it, now it's about 5% wrestling and they can't give the shit away. TNA needs to get back to what got them going and deliver more great wrestling and let WWE focus on the garbage.


Jeff Jarrett is not on that list. List is invalid.

I was hopeful it'd end by the Frontline winning some sort of breakup match against the MEM, but alas, it won't happen.

The MEM angle is a miserable failure and the Frontline is even worse. They're rehashing the nWo and making WORSE decisions. At least Sting and Goldberg beat the nWo a few times. The Frontline has won two matches, one with Eric Young beating a MEM guy and one other that meant about as much.

Though, admittedly, I like the idea of Samoa Joe completely pwning Steiner.


FALSE

Samoa Joe has lost all his mystique and is a full-blown heel. Faces don't threaten to murder heels with machetes and they don't have penises drawn on their faces in sharpie

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TNA has successfully completely ruined Joe. Good job, fellas.

And, I recently started watching again. I quit when that little bitch Kevin Federline beat John Cena. I know the shit is fake, but that's pushing it.

Suicide is the only thing TNA is doing right, at this point.

Federline was one of the best heels the WWE ever had and should have been hired full-time as a manager.

And Suicide is also one of the worst angles ever.

He is a video game character. I'm not joking about that. Their announcers started saying "Hey, that's Suicide, from the TNA video game! Why is HE here?!"

HE IS A VIDEO GAME CHARACTER AND THEY'RE PUSHING HIM

Seeing as their video game hit the bargain bin a week after release, and Acclaim filed bankruptcy, the only reason Suicide is a wrestler is because TNA wants to try somehow to recoup their losses from that shitpile. Unfortunately, it means they are literally pushing a video game character.

As a video game character.

TNA is the worst company to ever exist and I will argue with anyone who claims otherwise.

CHIKARA's about to have their King of Trios tournament, and the roster is amazing. If anyone wants to refind a love of wrestling, get that show when it comes out.

[NRC]

I didn't mean in the classic face/heel wrestling sense, Evan. I meant that, in a real-world sense....Joe hacking him into tiny bits with a machete is pretty good shit. =]

[Kevin]

I didn't mean in the classic face/heel wrestling sense, Evan. I meant that, in a real-world sense....Joe hacking him into tiny bits with a machete is pretty good shit. =]

Evan?

And this is TNA. They won't even get that cool part right. :(

[Greer]

Kevin, you will respect the bent tribal face penis or you will suffer the WRATH of the bent tribal face penis!

[Zortalk]

Ummmm. Suicide is Kazarian

[Zortalk]

Yeah, disregard, I suck cocks.

[Jeff Fox]

Yes. Chikara. Yes.




TNA is fucked up because they went to Russo style crash TV bullshit mixed with WCW style, ex-WWE wrestler booking. It's not a good combo. It will never be a good combo.

And they drew a penis on Samoa Joe's face.

And above all TNA is getting higher ratings and have exceeded the 2 million viewers mark according to Kurt Angle today.

Apparently wrestling isn't about catering to internet smarks, whodathunkit.

[Clint]

And above all TNA is getting higher ratings and have exceeded the 2 million viewers mark according to Kurt Angle today.

Lesson one is, 95% of the time, don't ever listen to Kurt Angle. The man is absolutely fucking insane.

Unfortunately, this is part of that 5%. He did follow it right up by saying "WE'RE ON THE WWE'S HEELS!" though.

[thebrotherssmith]

TNA isn't even wrestling. I was mildly interested when I heard about their deal with NJPW, thinking they'd actually push some of the talent coming over, and they don't.

I wish LAX, AJ, Lethal and MCMG would just bounce out of there.

Listening to Mike Tenay is just awful on it's own, he brings back memories of WCW, and he can't sell anything they do.

Either way, I'm not spending another moment discussing TNA because it is the worst wrestling product I have ever seen on TV.

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Chris Jericho should be world champion for a lonnnnnng time. He is easily the most over heel, their best talker, and arguably their best worker.

The sad thing about the 'E' is this wrestlemania is nothing short of laughable. I'm sorry, the angles are contrived, and I could careless about anything that happens on the show. The only three intriguing matches are HBK/Taker [Because you know they'll steal the show] MITB [ For the one crazy highspot.] And Jericho/Legends because of all the leg work Jericho has done to boost it.

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I can't watch anything but ROH, NOAH, NJPW and Dragon Gate.

I put on shows from my 80's l;brary before I consider turning on anything on TV nowadays. I'm just lucky to get the fight network so I can see old Memphis Wrestling - Wrestling at the Chase from St. Louis - NOAH, and of course ROH from 2002-2007.

Basically, this might be the biggest wrestling recession since 1994.-95

[Evan]

Wrestling is cyclical, it has its boom periods and its lulls, always has. We're in a lull and I have absolutely no doubt things will change and improve for the better whether the executive board and creative writers of WWE like it or not. For a whole now wrestling has suffered from a lack of solid places for guys to work and pull a real pay check, that's just life with the monstrously powerful multi-million dollar producing even when its product sucks WWE. It's been this way for years. Say what you will about TNA, but it gives guys a place to work. Maybe that's the problem though, they've got this amazing position to push real awesome wrestling with access to all these amazing wrestlers.. and we get like 75% garbage every week on Impact.

TNA has these rare strokes of genius then piles on the turds. So frustrating. Then there's ROH, they have television and pay per vie so working for them has become quite a bit more attractive I'd assume. Didn't take long for Colt Cabana to find his way back to the fold.

That's the key to making wrestling awesome again I think, these new promotions building themselves up and making wrestling a viable career for these guys again. At one point Alex Shelley and Chris Sabin were considering retiring from the business and going back to school if contract negotiations with TNA dried up this last time around. If you can't make a decent living at it and become something of a star, a lot of guys simply say screw it and move on with their lives. That's why the last few years we've seen less and less new talent popping up, and when they do they're left looking around thinking.. "ummm.. Europe? Japan?.. yeah."

But that all being said I see the light at the end of the tunnel. WWE always comes around and finds their nitch again, as much as people like to wail on them they still produce quality television and.. regardless of how they handle said stars.. have an amazing roster of stars right now. Evan Bourne (Matt Sydal), Tyson Kidd (TJ Wilson), Jack Swagger, CM Punk, Kofi Kingston, Randy Orton, Vladimir Kozlov.. some really cool young talent that makes for a solid future for WWE even after the likes of Shawn Michaels, Rey Mysterio, JBL, Undertaker and the like all retire in the near future.

TNA has one problem.. they forgot who they're supposed to be. The mother fucking alternative to WWE, not a carbon copy. They're entranced by the fact they're getting higher ratings on the backs of established names like Angle, Nash, Booker and Foley and are pushing aside a lot of what made them so great in the beginning. But look at it like this.. Angle is just waiting around for WWE to come calling again and offer him a fat deal to finish up his career with them, that was painfully obvious to me from day one of his TNA career. Same could be said with Booker. Nash and Steiner are nearing the end of their in ring careers, presumably in the next I'd say at least three or four. Jarrett's not stupid.. Vince Russo, Dutch Mantell and Dixie Carter might be.. but Jeff Jarrett's not. I see TNA finding its way back onto the right path this year. Read this weeks Impact spoilers for evidence of that. I'll give you a hit, it rhymes with "Sallen Pngel" Fhristopher Kaniels..

Then ROH? All the potential in the world, amazing young hungry roster, working agreement with a smaller cable channel that actually wants to promote ROH's classic product without screwing with anything. ROH is primed and ready to grow by leaps and bounds this year and I'm excited to watch it happen. Brent Albright, Bryan Danielson, Nigel McGuinness, The Brisco Brothers, Claudio, Chris Hero.. ROH has all the pieces necessary to blow past TNA in the next few years if they really hoof it and get their product out there.


So yeah, wrestling right now? Sort of pooney. But I'm a fan and will be till the day I croke. The business always bounces back.

[Justin]

Here's the issue with WWE:

They like to pick the stars of tomorrow, today, before they've worked a legit match. Then they give them a year or so working whatever tripe they call a developmental territory, and then they cram them down you throat for five years until they figure it out.

Take Randy Orton for example. The man was childish and terrible up until his recent return from injury, but for five years he was crammed down our throats. He's _just_ now learned how to work heel, and he's getting better at it every week, but I hated him for a very long time, and he was a main event guy. Also, see John Cena, same fuckin' thing as Orton.

I won't even watch TNA right now, someone let me know when it gets better.

I need to get current with CHIKARA, but it's not easy.

Ring of Honor is the future of wrestling. If you enjoyed the NWA in the seventies and eighties, you will enjoy Ring of Honor.

[Evan]

Take Randy Orton for example. The man was childish and terrible up until his recent return from injury, but for five years he was crammed down our throats. He's _just_ now learned how to work heel, and he's getting better at it every week, but I hated him for a very long time, and he was a main event guy. Also, see John Cena, same fuckin' thing as Orton.

That's really well put, and so true. I like that some young guys are figuring that out at least to some degree. TJ Wilson and Ted Dibiase both worked the indies and Japan for years before they finally signed on with WWE. Reid Flair and Ricky Steamboat Jr are doing the same thing. Seasoning themselves before inking a contract for Vince. But yeah, I get what you're saying. Debuting talent aren't given time to "work their way to the top" they're forced there. At least they're overpushing guys that have the talent to eventually handle it once they're there. Like you said, Orton and Cena are good examples of really green guys who were pushed way to hard, went through periods where they were tiresome, but now you can obviously see they had the superstar pedigree all along. I see them doing the same thing with guys like Evan Bourne, Ted Dibiase and Jack Swagger.

[Adam]

I don't see the point in any of this since there's the far superior alternative of Japanese Women's Wrestling.

Send links.

[C-Loc]

Isn't Chikara the fed with those sensitive Ice creams, or whatever the hell that was?

[Justin]

Los Ice Creams.

Also, and more importantly, is Ultra Mantis BLACK.

[Evan]

I don't see the point in any of this since there's the far superior alternative of Japanese Women's Wrestling.

Send links.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUqVHeuwIF0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOCjJeFW9Kk

Bam. That second one has some American ladies thrown in to, SHIMMER girls rule.. MsChif for the win.

[NRC]

I just don't like how Da E brings in guys from the developmental, and pushes them in different ways. Jake Hager, now Jack Swagger, was pushed directly to the ECW title, while Teddy DiBiase was basically shoved into Legacy with Orton as one of Orton's lackeys. Now, I know this gives DiBiase one hell of a rub, as Orton has become one of the top heels in the world right now, but he's basically being shown as the guy to take half of Orton's ass kickings for him, and he's a much better character than that.

[SoCo2k8]

I usually buy a wrestling PPV every couple years or so and I have caved in and bought WM 25 just for the Undertaker/HBK match. But I have a feeling the Matt vs Jeff Hardy match could come in 2nd when it's all said and done.

Might be the glue talking though.

I've a feeling the Orton/HHH match is going to be a McMahon ego stroke festival and Orton will come out looking like a moron.

Raw and SD seem to only have about one good match/segment per show so it burns my ass that I have to sit through some pretty crappy stuff at times to watch that one match/segment that I enjoy.

TNA is like watching a car wreck, and was a much better booked program when D'Amore was booking the show.

My younger kids are getting into 'rassling now and it has been a treat watching them get into the characters and matches. Surprisingly my daughter likes the heels while my son cheers on the faces.

[Evan]

I usually buy a wrestling PPV every couple years or so and I have caved in and bought WM 25 just for the Undertaker/HBK match. But I have a feeling the Matt vs Jeff Hardy match could come in 2nd when it's all said and done.

Might be the glue talking though.

I've a feeling the Orton/HHH match is going to be a McMahon ego stroke festival and Orton will come out looking like a moron.

Raw and SD seem to only have about one good match/segment per show so it burns my ass that I have to sit through some pretty crappy stuff at times to watch that one match/segment that I enjoy.

TNA is like watching a car wreck, and was a much better booked program when D'Amore was booking the show.

My younger kids are getting into 'rassling now and it has been a treat watching them get into the characters and matches. Surprisingly my daughter likes the heels while my son cheers on the faces.

That's usually the way it works, fans who haven't watched in years get back into it somewhat via their kids. And with WWE catering more towards the youngin's now that's more true than ever. Watching kids get into wrestling reminds you why you got into it way back when. When you strip away all the bullshit opinions you've garnered over the years you realize wrestling is at its core just a lot of fun to watch.